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]]> By: tpitts http://kreitsauce.renewingminds.com/2009/02/literary-aspects-of-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-156 tpitts Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:58:03 +0000 http://kreitsauce.com/?p=312#comment-156 Nitwit, I realize this is out of order with the current string between you and Kreit, but if I tried to keep up with a conversation, in this format, for that long, it would be the only thing I would accomplish. I am familiar with the atheist/agnostic viewpoint and have studied it enough to realize it takes more faith than my belief in Christianity and the Bible. I have also studied world religions and agree that there are numerous similarities in many cases but Christianity is the only belief in which we have a risen Saviour and a Loving God that is interested in our daily lives. You always say that you would look at things logically and make the logical choice. You also admit that you do not deny the existence of God, it just has not been proven to you. We are then presented with 2 choices, what you believe and what I believe. If when I die, what you believe is true, then I have lost nothing. I have lived a fulfilling life and am simply dead. However if I am right, then there is an eternity as explained by the Bible and though your life was fulfilling to you, your eternity will be spent in a sinners Hell. It would seem that the logical choice would be to prepare for the eventuality of eternity. As far as freedom and salvation in non-belief, I do not understand the concept. This world I live in where I see people slaves to drugs, alcohol, sexual perversion, money, anger, hate, bitterness and numerous other physical and mental masters, does not offer freedom in non-belief. I have true freedom because I have submitted to a higher authority, who I have come to know through His very word, the Bible, and He has delivered me from the bondage of sin and despair. People may say they are in control, and have no authority in which they serve but I disagree with this on what I have observed and experienced. This is tangible proof that something is always in authority over a person. I have attempted to comfort the 5 yr old child who was raped because someone was controlled by their perversion. I have attempted to comfort the family who lost their child in a wreck caused by a drunk who is controlled by alcohol. Or the drug induced murder, the marriage ruined by sexual immorality, etc. These are things I see on a regular basis and am so glad I have freedom from that sort of life because I have submitted to God and the teachings of the Bible. Nitwit,
I realize this is out of order with the current string between you and Kreit, but if I tried to keep up with a conversation, in this format, for that long, it would be the only thing I would accomplish.

I am familiar with the atheist/agnostic viewpoint and have studied it enough to realize it takes more faith than my belief in Christianity and the Bible. I have also studied world religions and agree that there are numerous similarities in many cases but Christianity is the only belief in which we have a risen Saviour and a Loving God that is interested in our daily lives.

You always say that you would look at things logically and make the logical choice. You also admit that you do not deny the existence of God, it just has not been proven to you. We are then presented with 2 choices, what you believe and what I believe. If when I die, what you believe is true, then I have lost nothing. I have lived a fulfilling life and am simply dead. However if I am right, then there is an eternity as explained by the Bible and though your life was fulfilling to you, your eternity will be spent in a sinners Hell. It would seem that the logical choice would be to prepare for the eventuality of eternity.

As far as freedom and salvation in non-belief, I do not understand the concept. This world I live in where I see people slaves to drugs, alcohol, sexual perversion, money, anger, hate, bitterness and numerous other physical and mental masters, does not offer freedom in non-belief. I have true freedom because I have submitted to a higher authority, who I have come to know through His very word, the Bible, and He has delivered me from the bondage of sin and despair.

People may say they are in control, and have no authority in which they serve but I disagree with this on what I have observed and experienced. This is tangible proof that something is always in authority over a person. I have attempted to comfort the 5 yr old child who was raped because someone was controlled by their perversion. I have attempted to comfort the family who lost their child in a wreck caused by a drunk who is controlled by alcohol. Or the drug induced murder, the marriage ruined by sexual immorality, etc. These are things I see on a regular basis and am so glad I have freedom from that sort of life because I have submitted to God and the teachings of the Bible.

]]> By: kreitsauce http://kreitsauce.renewingminds.com/2009/02/literary-aspects-of-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-155 kreitsauce Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:02:53 +0000 http://kreitsauce.com/?p=312#comment-155 I believe that I would have to assume the eternality of the material universe in order to say that there was a probability for the physical universe to come into existence. I do not see any probable chance for life to come from something that isn't alive, or from intelligence to come from something that lacks the apparatus for intelligence. I believe that I would have to assume the eternality of the material universe in order to say that there was a probability for the physical universe to come into existence.

I do not see any probable chance for life to come from something that isn’t alive, or from intelligence to come from something that lacks the apparatus for intelligence.

]]> By: nitwitnastik http://kreitsauce.renewingminds.com/2009/02/literary-aspects-of-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-154 nitwitnastik Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:54:46 +0000 http://kreitsauce.com/?p=312#comment-154 I do not throw away God entirely just as you throw away chance entirely. I just say that probability makes more sense to me and probability and chance *IS* a probable cause just as God. Do you agree that there is a slight chance that probability *may* be the reason for all this complexity? If not then I agree this is unresolvable. I do not throw away God entirely just as you throw away chance entirely. I just say that probability makes more sense to me and probability and chance *IS* a probable cause just as God. Do you agree that there is a slight chance that probability *may* be the reason for all this complexity? If not then I agree this is unresolvable.

]]> By: kreitsauce http://kreitsauce.renewingminds.com/2009/02/literary-aspects-of-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-153 kreitsauce Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:42:57 +0000 http://kreitsauce.com/?p=312#comment-153 I can agree to disagree, but there is a fundamental difference of worldviews that will make any future discussion ultimately unresolvable. I would suggest that your worldview lacks a "probable cause" and needs revision, as time is not a sufficient explanation for order, complexity, or information in our world. I can agree to disagree, but there is a fundamental difference of worldviews that will make any future discussion ultimately unresolvable. I would suggest that your worldview lacks a “probable cause” and needs revision, as time is not a sufficient explanation for order, complexity, or information in our world.

]]> By: nitwitnastik http://kreitsauce.renewingminds.com/2009/02/literary-aspects-of-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-152 nitwitnastik Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:28:45 +0000 http://kreitsauce.com/?p=312#comment-152 You assume that there is an intelligent design and believe in intelligent designer. I don't. I understand how probability works and I believe in chance over billions and billions of iterations. Let us agree to disagree on that. You assume that there is an intelligent design and believe in intelligent designer. I don’t. I understand how probability works and I believe in chance over billions and billions of iterations. Let us agree to disagree on that.

]]> By: kreitsauce http://kreitsauce.renewingminds.com/2009/02/literary-aspects-of-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-151 kreitsauce Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:05:22 +0000 http://kreitsauce.com/?p=312#comment-151 A "solution" that leaves an intelligent cause out of the picture isn't a solution at all. You're missing the point, which is that everything from the atom, to the cell, to the galaxy needed a guiding and creative Intelligence to come together. A universe with life in it does exist. We can argue about why God did something the way He did it at another time, but saying that God should have done something better or differently doesn't remove the fact that we have a universe at all. A “solution” that leaves an intelligent cause out of the picture isn’t a solution at all. You’re missing the point, which is that everything from the atom, to the cell, to the galaxy needed a guiding and creative Intelligence to come together. A universe with life in it does exist. We can argue about why God did something the way He did it at another time, but saying that God should have done something better or differently doesn’t remove the fact that we have a universe at all.

]]> By: nitwitnastik http://kreitsauce.renewingminds.com/2009/02/literary-aspects-of-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-150 nitwitnastik Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:33:25 +0000 http://kreitsauce.com/?p=312#comment-150 So anything which allows human life is perfect? Isn't that changing the question to prove the answer ? There are probably millions of planets where there is no life. So is 1 in a a million a good probability for anything. If the omniscient or omnipotent God was so intelligent why did it take millions of years for him to create humans? What was he waiting so long for? So anything which allows human life is perfect? Isn’t that changing the question to prove the answer ?

There are probably millions of planets where there is no life. So is 1 in a a million a good probability for anything.

If the omniscient or omnipotent God was so intelligent why did it take millions of years for him to create humans? What was he waiting so long for?

]]> By: kreitsauce http://kreitsauce.renewingminds.com/2009/02/literary-aspects-of-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-149 kreitsauce Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:14:15 +0000 http://kreitsauce.com/?p=312#comment-149 By "perfectly" I mean that our universe is designed to permit the existence of human life, and to allow that life to flourish. If you read through some of my past articles, you'll see quotes from very Darwinian scientists who say that our world appears very designed. That coupled with the very existence of DNA, which is extraordinarily complex and contains massive amounts of information, makes it very easy to deduce a Designer, Someone Who "thought" of the information necessary for life. Or consider the complexity of the cell. There is no other way to explain where all of this complexity, design, and information came from. By “perfectly” I mean that our universe is designed to permit the existence of human life, and to allow that life to flourish. If you read through some of my past articles, you’ll see quotes from very Darwinian scientists who say that our world appears very designed. That coupled with the very existence of DNA, which is extraordinarily complex and contains massive amounts of information, makes it very easy to deduce a Designer, Someone Who “thought” of the information necessary for life. Or consider the complexity of the cell. There is no other way to explain where all of this complexity, design, and information came from.

]]> By: nitwitnastik http://kreitsauce.renewingminds.com/2009/02/literary-aspects-of-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-148 nitwitnastik Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:15:59 +0000 http://kreitsauce.com/?p=312#comment-148 I think "perfection" is again an assumption. How do you define perfection? How do you know that the world is perfectly designed. How can we be so sure that, had the world been different from what we see today it would have been imperfect? Does the existence of human life make anything perfect? I think “perfection” is again an assumption. How do you define perfection? How do you know that the world is perfectly designed. How can we be so sure that, had the world been different from what we see today it would have been imperfect? Does the existence of human life make anything perfect?

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